tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post6193380842065945534..comments2023-09-29T08:51:56.163-07:00Comments on Coyle's InFormation: Yet more OCLCKaren Coylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02519757456533839003noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-41097786814122254672010-03-09T06:52:18.796-08:002010-03-09T06:52:18.796-08:00Eric, I agree that this may be a statement about w...Eric, I agree that this may be a statement about what it perceives its value to be. It would be great if they would say so. Nothing has been said by OCLC about this, and we know about the incident only because OCLC offered one library a contract with figures that were unexpected (and did not appear anywhere on the price list). We also know that libraries have been loading records into OCLC at the lower price for many years, that no announcement of a new price was made, and that there may be libraries still loading records at that price who do not catalog on OCLC. Basically, we need the full facts. But we know for sure that OCLC switched prices on MSU without notice, and we know that they didn't say anything to CSULB about this new price, who had told them of their plans before joining SkyRiver. If it isn't hardball, it's damned incompetent. May that is in OCLC's DNA? I sure hope not!Karen Coylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519757456533839003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-67810376437206385802010-03-08T17:21:37.026-08:002010-03-08T17:21:37.026-08:00I think that the most useful way to view this inci...I think that the most useful way to view this incident is to observe that OCLC has made a statement, in cold hard numbers, about what it perceives its value for libraries to be. It's a mistake to see this as hardball tactics- that's not in OCLC's DNA. Think about it.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14172740163003223132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-91833658793359459122010-03-02T08:59:33.430-08:002010-03-02T08:59:33.430-08:00They do have their holdings in OCLC. The letter st...They do have their holdings in OCLC. The letter states that they moved to SkyRiver for cataloging to save money, but intend to keep using OCLC for ILL. They assumed they'd be able to load their SkyRiver records into OCLC to keep their OCLC holdings current.Karen Coylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519757456533839003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-10373229134171339042010-03-02T08:15:18.432-08:002010-03-02T08:15:18.432-08:00It seems strange to me that a library of MSU's...It seems strange to me that a library of MSU's size didn't have their holdings in OCLC to begin with. What were they doing before SkyRiver?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-2659767153477041712010-02-26T09:40:05.663-08:002010-02-26T09:40:05.663-08:00Hopefully a customer can answer that, but do note ...Hopefully a customer can answer that, but do note that even some Library of Congress records have OCLC numbers on them, and that doesn't seem to change their status as federal products and thus public domain in the US. In fact, as I think J Rochkind has pointed out, anyone can add an OCLC number to a MARC record, treating it as an identifier like an ISBN or LCCN. The presence of the number doesn't tell you if the record actually came from OCLC. As a matter of fact, I don't think that the OCLC policy ever resolved how you would clearly identify that a record had come from the OCLC database.Karen Coylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519757456533839003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-5332449061776632562010-02-26T09:28:14.685-08:002010-02-26T09:28:14.685-08:00Next question: Do skyriver records have OCLC numbe...Next question: Do skyriver records have OCLC numbers on them?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14172740163003223132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-11852845661624650422010-02-26T07:56:27.828-08:002010-02-26T07:56:27.828-08:00I couldn't find it on their web site, but the ...I couldn't find it on their web site, but the <a href="http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6700415.html" rel="nofollow">LJ article </a>says:<br /><br />"SkyRiver makes no claims to own the records contained within its bibliographic database. None of the records are derived from OCLC or other organizations that assert ownership or restrictions in terms of use. Once received from SkyRiver, libraries can use the records in any way."Karen Coylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519757456533839003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3338174527262061848.post-25301252067289530132010-02-26T07:48:17.213-08:002010-02-26T07:48:17.213-08:00In this context it would be interesting to know Sk...In this context it would be interesting to know Skyriver's "record use policy". Is that available anywhere?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14172740163003223132noreply@blogger.com